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of the country to set up the proper condition or elementary conditions for the people to return and to have the food and necessary for day to day living. what's also made our country become one of the post conflict success stories, it is also trying to solve the security dilemma and going with the building and rebuilding and restructuring and reforming the security element. from the security force and also from the security and the police organization where both of those has been used as a tool of the repression where the community had not so much of the trust or better saying, they had a fear with the uniform no longer being from the military or the police side. that has guaranteed their
political control in establishing the state monopoly of the force and the public security. at the same time, they started the process of reconstruction of the political system that we would be establishing today with the local actors. that would be meeting the needs of the country and would be fitting to the circumstances of the countries, but at the same time would allow to establish the legitimate government based on the power sharing models. these are all the preconditions that will lead you from the short-term of the solution or the challenges addressing immediately to have the democracy develop or the security or in order to start building the process of a state building. >> president, i'm turning back your comment from a minute ago back to you.
when you say everything is important and yet you still have to prioritize and have to focus security, democracy broad le speaking and thinking about development and moving away from the need for development. how do you make the decisions and how do you organize and how do you approach it? >> it's always a challenge trying to find the right balance between the promotion of sustainable development based upon growth and a conventional method of achieving that broth and the mo motion of democracy based upon an open society. in which accountability transparency, participation are the key elements. if one wants to, one has to find
a way to reinforce both of those concepts. that's always difficult. it went to work changing the work ethics in an environment in which having a society long has been suffered to be refugees where the entitlement and dependency are parts of the norm of behavior. the two must reinforce each other. that's the debate as to whether democracy catalyzes development or development catalyzes democracy. in our own experience, we have both, but they're bound to be contradictions. there times when you must push the basic things are getting the hard way and the infrastructure fixed and the institutions from introducing measures that fight corruption and from what accountability.
they should be met and have the freedom to choose and you must allow that freedom to choose. we choose the path of trying to first of all stabilize the situation and get the fundamentals in place. the second amount of couldability, but that creates tension and the tension reflects itself as i mentioned before. their lives have not changed while you address the fundamentals. >> that's the second time you mentioned the youth and you certain about how they see the future.
is there a way or a right formula as you think about balancing all of these priorities? >> yes. what i have done in malawi, it's only six weeks. >> it talks some gall when she has been there less than two months. >> the whole world asked how would you have money to do so much in six weeks? i think it was sdmr as i said, it's about the people who have prepared for change. it's been easier for me to make the mold decisions that are hard to make. what i have found that has helped and is helping is the
people within the show and that helps to give people hope. four days after i got into office is i established the presidential initiative and then the second one was the presidential initiative with poverty and education. that was deliberate. because i wanted people to continue to hold on to hope because i knew these are the two areas that they had as you know. there were 690 women who died out of 100,000 giving birth. increasing every day, i say to the people it's unacceptable. we must not accept a woman dying giving birth to another life.
in the initiative on poverty issy is to encourage women and youth getting involved in the production of dhash have and in order for people to see that there is something they should look forward to. in the six weeks i launched the construction of two so that women can get to clinics and a week or two before to wait there so that they don't die walking to the clinic. in the long-term, you must begin to show that people, that we must change from eight to 20. to begin to strengthen our governor's institutions. they have spoken again and again about tackling corruption and
putting in place institutions that will tackle our corruption and also to follow-up cases that have been lying there because people did not want to tackle them. in the long-term it's on the economic recovery to and bring back the confidence of donors and partners that walked away because that really, really devastated malawi, breaking operations with the uk. these are things that you do in order to bring people aboard and to view the confidence that you require for people to move along with you. >> what i'm hearing is that we talked about these broad concepts and development and democracy and security. i hear each of you speak, you are talking about specific steps
that you have to take that make those things a reality. is that a big part of what if means to choose? >> absolutely. >> i had the privilege of nine years. you pick your fights and prioritize clearly as to what can you do and what time frame? you can't do everything, but you can put in the building blocks that you build further on as you have the time and opportunity. looking at the issues which confront countries coming out of crisis, by the time our presidents are in place, the constitution is written and the elections are being held, those things have been done and the priorities move to how do you build the capacity of your government to deliver? it becomes very important as a part of building confidence as well. you need to build the capacity
of the parliament that is an important organ for scrutinizing government and the other institutions that would ward against corruption, etc. the role of reform of the security sectors are extremely important. people had very little faith in the security sector of the police and so on. it's a big job to do there. the role of the judiciary has to be built and the work on the basic reconstruction and it can take a long time to get to the infrastructure, but the basics have to be begun. then i stress again, all important livelihoods. people need to eat. they need a way of earning a living. with the development partners, they can be helpful in support of the cash for work kinds of schemes that get income back into people's pockets and enable the microeconomy to start again.
inclusion with a great deal and a priority for the public money available and there often isn't much. education and skills because we are all talking about the huge youth generation that wants to fulfill potential and is frustrate and if we don't deal with the hopes and dreams of young people, all our societies are in trouble. it is a big and complicated agenda and you pick your way through deliberately. >> what advice do you give if you frum give advice, as you hear the difficult choices that the leaders make every day. >> the commitment and the quinningness to be innovative and i remember in 2009, being in
liberia for an international symposium. they had the port of another woman president at the time of finland and the criticism of her for daring to have an international symposium when they were trying to have the basic infrastructure. my sense is and i say this successly to the president and she is a new president in a country that she has already made impact from time to time. do something bigger in order to -- and do it with outside partners of that kind. you continue in a symbolic way to drive that agenda.
we have the capacity to link and the people in the informal sector. what amazes me at the moment, whether it's in india, the women's association and the waste pickers international and worldwide and slum dwellers international, these are very poor people, but they are linking through the numbers that they are. we have to address the unemployment of young people in innovative ways. i think the capacity to create these new kinds of partnerships and i think women are good at partnering and it has to take on a role in development. listening to the development dealing with their countries that are -- they have to prioritize issues. each of them prioritized
democracy and the structures. are they getting good examples from some of the long established democracies? money is corrupting democracy in this country and it has been followed in the rest of the world and the packs and super pacs are undermining democracy and it's a concept that we have to be vigilant about. >> bringing up democracy at the end is perfect. president banda, what does democracy looking like in the world. is it still appealing as a form of government? there criticisms and they are not all perfect. is it as appealing as it once
was? how do you know that it's the right path for your country. >> i have always said that democracy for the world, but each part will have a day to call it their democracy. for example, in other parts of the world, they didn't have democracy. they had what looked like autocratic governments. i don't want to mention the governments. then they fought to get what they thought was democracy. now we see total chaos. is that what we want? i don't know. we are coming up with our model. a mix of democracy and our historical models where the
chiefs and the local leaderships exist and they have the finer say. i am taking total advantage of that. in my maternal health program. because the chiefs are engaged and the chief was a chief when he said in this village, every woman shall go. that will be considered being autocratic. for me, it's an advantage as i fight. i think they will be sitting here if doe mock reas had matured. i think each part of the world will have to have their own what they consider to be democracy. >> what are about in liberia. you have a different history from every other country and every country's history is
unique, but what does democracy look like? is it as easy to embrace today as it has been? >> i think democracy exemplified in the liberian experience are the basic things we know. the promotion of basic freedoms. freedom of self expression and association and religion. the right of the people to participate in a decision that affects their lives and a question that insists on accountability and transparency by the governments. we ought to be mindful of what mary said when she talked about democracy being corrupted by money. when i campaigned in liberia in the 80s, we went to the villages and we were hosted by villages.
they get you, they provided for you. when i campaigned in 2011, i had to carry t-shirts and caps. all the goodies that wish they feel entitled. the ante keeps going up. you have to take more things and they cost money. they have to bring them in containers. it remains the same. >> what does it mean to you? is it the same as what it felt like five or ten years ago? >> definitely it's not the same. as the democracy at this level and about four years ago or 30
years ago, democracy is a very achievable thing. at the same time it is also quite challenging process the democracy can be understood especially on the beginning. like the freedom of the expression and freedom of the speech. sometimes i found that quite often with the recent examples, the democracy people expect very quick results. when there is not a quick result, they become quite a disappointment. democracy is not the process that you started today and you finished by tomorrow. it's a life-lasting process. people must have the access and that brings into the light, the
level of the interaction between the government and between the people. the governments are there to serve the people. and not the people to serve the government. that the logic has to be inserted. the process of the democracy in my country lasted longer than we expected. mary mentioned the issue of the example of the democracy. i have a message that there is no system. it's nothing that you can take it out. you can insert it for anything else. no. this is where it's falling the biggest in the international community. the international community should come and hand to hand with the local government to start the process of the democracy and not to try to impose or try to force the
system. it's not going to work out. i use the example that yes, everywhere in the world meets like that, yes, but in albania and but garria meets like that. only the language in the world can by getting those changes will reflect a different thing. in my country, the process of building the democratization has been done hand to hand with a local institution and international progress. every process has been planned in advance how that would be reflecting. maybe the great example could work out in ireland or finland, but definitely not work out in the mentality. so the country has to adopt the experience and expertise to their own needs and all the
specifications. it has to be translated with a way of thinking and a way of saying within the country in order to be more received and more used within the country. >> whom should hear that measzage and whom do you want to hear that message that you shared with us? >> the messages has to be from the local leaders, from the community. >> who do you want to hear it? >> from the international communities. there has to be flexibility within their mission mandate. there is not a fixed mission mandate. there has the mission mandate prior to the reaching the ground, has to be preplanned and joined with the local actors or within the country. it cannot function just trying to come and insert it within the country. it will definitely not have an effect. >> administrator clark, is that realistic in the way things work
today in the world? >> i was going to tackle the question, is democracy appealing as a former government? >> you can do both. >> make a statement. it is the best of all available options. what is the alternative? to govern without consent and give them no choice of who rules and of course we see some authoritarian regimes getting away with the consent for a long time, but there tipping points and the tipping points may be economic hardship. they may be the further impoverishment of the poor that came with the global recession. the tipping points and organization of students. with the role of information and communications technologies which had an extraordinary effect in a number of countries.
democracy has the safety vaf valves built in and provides a way of changing the rulers, but i think marey and others are right to stress the point about being vigilant. too much money sloshing around is corrosive and too much concentration of media is corrosive of democracy and a number of them ever being challenged as to how you provide for freedom of expression and voice and to not because of concentration. >> do you think the community is prepared to hear the message we heard from the president that the democracy needs to work at the ground level and needs to listen to what the community want that is it can't be imposed from the outside. >> each country has to craft its
own design. we go back to the fundamental principal if we believe people have a right to choose, we can build our own unique ways of doing it from there. of course the constitution is not going to council like the constitution because we don't have one, but it will be its own creation f. it helps that basic power of the people to choose, then i think it will have integrity. >> president robinson, how about that? how much can a country taylor their democracy to the needs of their own people. how much leeway is there? >> as we heard from the -- from all of us there has to be the starting point and that you build with your community and that's the essential voice. the international community as much as possible should support the way in which that would develop. i am bound in an entering way of
assessing how countries are doing in governments and the nent of africa. i am on the board and on the prize committee of the foundation and the index covers the 54 countries as it notice is and the continent of africa and we have to wait now because of sudan and south sudan so it becomes clear and they are excluded for a year or two. all of the others are ranked for human and economic development and human rights and participation and tackling poverty and health and you can actually see in the index the countries that are making progress and it's interesting to see liberia is coming up the index. a country like that has done down for reasons that are understandable. this is an index that has the merit of being created by an african. he was a businessman who made a lot of money from cell phone and
putting in cell phones in african countries without corruption through cell tell international that he sold for a huge amount of money and he put his money back into the foundation. we don't measure the performance of democratic governments effectively. it left far too much for them making speeches rather than what are they doing. you can measure improvements of health and education. >> we can't have this group of leaders without asking the question about how much difference it makes or does it make a difference is there a
material difference in the people who choose you? how do you see that? huh a chance over the years to think about this a lot. >> yes, it does make a difference. >> it's the first progress we have made in six years. really i do believe that women leadership bring a certain dimension to the management and to the leading and that caring and sharing. that sensitivity to the needs of human kind that i think comes from being a woman and from being a mother. at the same time it does not and
should not take away from the woman's competitiveness and capacity or ability to lead and to lead in a world today that requires a certain amount of qualification and amount of technocratic abilities. once those are in place, the qualifications necessary place, then i think a woman leads and quite frankly, i think women are more honest. >> what about the fact that a woman in your position, president bnda, only weeks, but you had a chance in your previous position of course to look at this. think about this. >> i would start by saying what happened three days ago. in washington.